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Some long winded comments, usually copy/paste, by Arthur Scheuerman that I have copied from <a href="http://www.dagorret.net/2009/04/08/exotic-high-tech-explosives-positively-identified-in-world-trade-center-dust/">Dagorret</a>.
I'm familiar with Arthur Scheuerman, as I have seen him on many blogs,
as well as my own, but I don't have the froggiest idea who Robin is. I
can say, though, that his information and bias looks like someone from
NIST. or a shill from JREF, like Mackey or Gravy. Please note that many
of these posts appear three times. Don't know why, but they're tripled,
and as Walter Kronkite once said, "and that's the way it is".<br />
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<a href="http://www.dagorret.net/2009/04/08/exotic-high-tech-explosives-positively-identified-in-world-trade-center-dust/">Dagorret</a>. <br />
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April 8, 2009<br />
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in World<br />
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A ground-breaking scientific paper confirmed this week that red-gray
flakes found throughout multiple samples of WTC dust are actually
unexploded fragments of nanothermite, an exotic high-tech explosive.<br />
<br />
The samples were taken from far-separated locations in Manhattan, some
as early as 10 minutes after the second tower (WTC 1) collapsed, ruling
out any possible contamination from cleanup operations.<br />
<br />
Authored by an international team of physicists, chemists, and others,
the research paper was titled “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in
Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe.” It was published in
The Open Chemical Physics Journal, 2009, Vol. 2., and is available
online for free download. The lead author is Niels H. Harrit of the
Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen.<br />
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The paper ends with the statement, “Based on these observations, we
conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in
the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating
nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive
material.”<br />
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Ordinary thermite burns quickly and can melt through steel, but it is
not explosive. Nanothermite, however, can be formulated as a high
explosive. It is stable when wet and can be applied like paint.<br />
<br />
The presence of pre-planted explosives in the WTC buildings calls into
question the official story that the buildings were destroyed by the
airplane collisions and fire alone. The National Institute of Standards
and Technology (NIST), the official government agency that investigated
the building collapses, did not test for residues of explosives.<br />
<br />
Richard Gage, AIA, said, “This peer-reviewed scientific study of the
disturbing contents of the WTC dust is yet another smoking gun proving
to the over 600 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth)
who I represent that a real investigation must be carried out
immediately as to the actual cause of the destruction of the 3 WTC
high-rises on 9/11.”<br />
<br />
One of the paper’s co-authors is AE911Truth researcher/editor Gregg
Roberts. When Roberts signed the AE911Truth petition demanding a new
9/11 investigation, he wrote, “What struck me on 9/11 was how much dust
was created.” Now, over 7 years later, Roberts has an intimate
appreciation for that dust. The steel was removed and destroyed very
quickly after the catastrophe, despite loud protests from fire fighters
and others. It was destruction of the primary evidence at a crime scene.
The dust, however, remains as a key piece of physical evidence.<br />
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The nine coauthors are Niels H. Harrit, Department of Chemistry,
University of Copenhagen, Denmark, Jeffrey Farrer, Department of Physics
and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Steven E. Jones, S&J
Scientific Co., Provo, UT, Kevin R. Ryan, 9/11 Working Group of
Bloomington, Bloomington, IN, Frank M. Legge, Logical Systems
Consulting, Perth, Western Australia, Daniel Farnsworth, Department of
Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Gregg Roberts,
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Berkeley, CA, James R.
Gourley, International Center for 9/11 Studies, Dallas, TX, and Bradley
R. Larsen, S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT.<br />
<br />
Source: AE911Truth<br />
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UPDATE<br />
<br />
Thanks to the readers to the following contributions:<br />
<br />
Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse? – By Dr. Steven E. Jones Physicist and Archaeometrist<br />
<br />
Linear Thermite Cutting Charges (Video)<br />
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<b>I have removed all of the duplicated comments in </b><br />
<b>order to make this more readable. This being done,</b><br />
<b>the whole thing is very long winded, especially the</b><br />
<b>overly long comment by Arthur Scheuerman...G% </b><br />
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1 Robin April 8, 2009 at 7:03 am<br />
I read the report and it looks biased to me. I will have to do some more
background checks of the references but in my experience there are
still questions about the data as presented in this paper.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
One of the things that makes me wonder about the paper is sentences like this.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
"All of the dust samples that were inspected were found to<br />
<br />
contain red/gray chips. The chips are characterized by a red layer in
which XEDS analysis identifies carbon, oxygen, aluminum, silicon, and
iron, and a gray layer in which mainly iron and oxygen are found."<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Also there are comments about adding oxygen to the mix. You just don't
add oxygen to metal. Iron when it reacts with water will turn to Iron
Oxide which is rust. Watch a cast iron frying pan that has been scrubbed
clean and left on a counter. It will start showing rust within minutes
of the surface water evaporating. It turns red.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
There was a lot of force involved with the collapse of the two towers.
This force would tend to vaporize all kinds of metals and materials into
very fine particles. These particles would then be spread all over
surrounding area.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Search the archives about research into the reactions of steel in fires.
In the UK, this was highlighted with severe damage to an office
building where the there were charges in regards to arson. It turned out
that the fire had softened the steel, not melted it using just a normal
office material fire. Fire investigators had a chance to replicate the
fire on a building that was going to be demolished and the steel beams
did bend. This was done before 911 and the first time I saw it was on
TV.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
There is research being done in the UK on how fires affect structures using full scale models.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Last, use your own eyes. Look at any of the videos of the collapse of
the towers. Watch how the top of the towers started to fall to one side
and then get pulled back straight.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
To use an example, take a string and lay it out on a floor. Start
pushing it and it will not go straight but start to bunch up. Then pull
the string and it will pull itself into a straight line.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
It is just like the plane at the pentagon, no normal (non-highspeed)
video camera will capture a plane on video at the speed it hit.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
And don't forget that common kitchen flour in a fine powder will explode
and bring down buildings. Look at the number of grain elevators that
have exploded in the past.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour_bomb" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour_bomb</a> <br />
<br />
Have a good day.<br />
<br />
Reply<br />
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2 Sue April 8, 2009 at 1:53 pm<br />
"In the UK, this was highlighted with severe damage to an office
building where the there were charges in regards to arson. It turned out
that the fire had softened the steel, not melted it using just a normal
office material fire. Fire investigators had a chance to replicate the
fire on a building that was going to be demolished and the steel beams
did bend. This was done before 911 and the first time I saw it was on
TV."<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
But don't you find it odd that BOTH WTC1 and 2 went down in a
demolishion fashion? That even if the steel was melted and bent from
burning fuel from the aircrafts that physics makes it impossible for
BOTH WTCs to fall in that manner in that they imploded on themselves?
Not to mention that they fell so quickly after being hit by the
aircrafts and fell within 46 minutes of each other. <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
That aside, how does one explain the fall of WTC7? It was not hit by an
aircraft. There is no way that falling debris from the WTC1 and 2 could
cause that much damage in that WTC7 would collapse. There is no way that
a fire caused that building to collapse:<a href="http://www.serendipity.li/wot/other_fires/other_fires.htm" target="_blank">http://www.serendipity.li/wot/other_fires/other_fires.htm</a> (see other buildings that did not collapse under MUCH greater circumstances).<br />
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Reply<br />
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3 Robin April 8, 2009 at 2:03 pm<br />
I read the report and it looks biased to me. I will have to do some more
background checks of the references but in my experience there are
still questions about the data as presented in this paper.<br />
<br />
One of the things that makes me wonder about the paper is sentences like this.<br />
<br />
“All of the dust samples that were inspected were found to<br />
contain red/gray chips. The chips are characterized by a red layer in
which XEDS analysis identifies carbon, oxygen, aluminum, silicon, and
iron, and a gray layer in which mainly iron and oxygen are found.”<br />
<br />
Also there are comments about adding oxygen to the mix. You just don’t
add oxygen to metal. Iron when it reacts with water will turn to Iron
Oxide which is rust. Watch a cast iron frying pan that has been scrubbed
clean and left on a counter. It will start showing rust within minutes
of the surface water evaporating. It turns red.<br />
<br />
There was a lot of force involved with the collapse of the two towers.
This force would tend to vaporize all kinds of metals and materials into
very fine particles. These particles would then be spread all over
surrounding area.<br />
<br />
Search the archives about research into the reactions of steel in fires.
In the UK, this was highlighted with severe damage to an office
building where the there were charges in regards to arson. It turned out
that the fire had softened the steel, not melted it using just a normal
office material fire. Fire investigators had a chance to replicate the
fire on a building that was going to be demolished and the steel beams
did bend. This was done before 911 and the first time I saw it was on
TV.<br />
<br />
There is research being done in the UK on how fires affect structures using full scale models.<br />
<br />
Last, use your own eyes. Look at any of the videos of the collapse of
the towers. Watch how the top of the towers started to fall to one side
and then get pulled back straight.<br />
<br />
To use an example, take a string and lay it out on a floor. Start
pushing it and it will not go straight but start to bunch up. Then pull
the string and it will pull itself into a straight line.<br />
<br />
It is just like the plane at the pentagon, no normal (non-highspeed)
video camera will capture a plane on video at the speed it hit.<br />
<br />
And don’t forget that common kitchen flour in a fine powder will explode
and bring down buildings. Look at the number of grain elevators that
have exploded in the past.<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour_bomb<br />
<br />
Have a good day.<br />
<br />
Reply<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
7 Sue April 8, 2009 at 8:53 pm<br />
“In the UK, this was highlighted with severe damage to an office
building where the there were charges in regards to arson. It turned out
that the fire had softened the steel, not melted it using just a normal
office material fire. Fire investigators had a chance to replicate the
fire on a building that was going to be demolished and the steel beams
did bend. This was done before 911 and the first time I saw it was on
TV.”<br />
<br />
But don’t you find it odd that BOTH WTC1 and 2 went down in a
demolishion fashion? That even if the steel was melted and bent from
burning fuel from the aircrafts that physics makes it impossible for
BOTH WTCs to fall in that manner in that they imploded on themselves?
Not to mention that they fell so quickly after being hit by the
aircrafts and fell within 46 minutes of each other.<br />
<br />
That aside, how does one explain the fall of WTC7? It was not hit by an
aircraft. There is no way that falling debris from the WTC1 and 2 could
cause that much damage in that WTC7 would collapse. There is no way that
a fire caused that building to collapse:
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/other_fires/other_fires.htm (see other
buildings that did not collapse under MUCH greater circumstances).<br />
<br />
Reply<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
10 Robin April 9, 2009 at 8:25 am<br />
How many of these buildings had been impacted by a jet plane?<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
How many of them were built with the wide open design of the WTC towers?
Now secondary support columns for the individual floors.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
I did look at these sites over the years and I cannot find a single
building that was subjected to the same stresses and forces as well as
structural damage as the WTC's were.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Seeing the video of the pieces of planes shooting through the other side
of the buildings is enough for me to believe that there was some severe
damage inside.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
For those that don't believe in the effect of heat and steel bending, I have an experiment that you can do in your own home.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Take a self cleaning oven. Put two cast iron frying pans on a rack and
run the self cleaning cycle. You will get a clean oven, a pair of clean
frying pans (great for re-seasoning) and a bent oven rack. The weight of
the pans on the rack is enough to stress the rack to bend it under the
heat of the oven.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
It is very easy to use what seems to be similar looking situations for
comparison. But you have to look at the details to make an honest
comparison.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Remember that the towers were struck with much higher damage than just a
fire. Look at the blue prints for the construction of the towers and
show me which building you reference even comes close to this design.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Look at the difference between the two sides of the building in the
Oklahoma city bombing. You can see all the central support columns that
helped keep much of the building standing. A high explosive was used and
because of all the support columns, much of the building was left
standing.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing</a> <br />
<br />
These are two different designed structures and thus the failures modes are different.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
With the WTC, the central support design left a single point of failure.
Added with the failing support due to softening steel, tones of
concrete and steel mass above the failing structure, soon it has to give
out.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
To show the difference, take an ice cube and some popsicle sticks to
make a construction like the WTC's. Put the ice cube in the middle and
put weight on the sticks. See if the structure survives after the ice
cube melts. Not the exact same but it ties into the full design. Now
repeat the experiment with extra support columns for the popsicle
sticks. Different failure modes.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Also, take two pieces of concrete about the same size and mass. Put them
on a piece of steel. Hit both with as much force as possible. One with a
normal hammer and the other with a 10Kg sledge hammer. See how much
more damage is done to both.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
I still have to check the references of the paper in regards to the talk of thermite.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
I will be passing this paper onto a couple of engineering and chemistry
friends of mine to read. I know they have an interest in the WTC
terrorist attacks.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
I could repeat much of what is said here.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml</a> <br />
<br />
I will look through the papers references and comment on those later this weekend.<br />
<br />
Reply<br />
<br />
11 Robin April 9, 2009 at 3:25 pm<br />
How many of these buildings had been impacted by a jet plane?<br />
<br />
How many of them were built with the wide open design of the WTC towers?
Now secondary support columns for the individual floors.<br />
<br />
I did look at these sites over the years and I cannot find a single
building that was subjected to the same stresses and forces as well as
structural damage as the WTC’s were.<br />
<br />
Seeing the video of the pieces of planes shooting through the other side
of the buildings is enough for me to believe that there was some severe
damage inside.<br />
<br />
For those that don’t believe in the effect of heat and steel bending, I have an experiment that you can do in your own home.<br />
<br />
Take a self cleaning oven. Put two cast iron frying pans on a rack and
run the self cleaning cycle. You will get a clean oven, a pair of clean
frying pans (great for re-seasoning) and a bent oven rack. The weight of
the pans on the rack is enough to stress the rack to bend it under the
heat of the oven.<br />
<br />
It is very easy to use what seems to be similar looking situations for
comparison. But you have to look at the details to make an honest
comparison.<br />
<br />
Remember that the towers were struck with much higher damage than just a
fire. Look at the blue prints for the construction of the towers and
show me which building you reference even comes close to this design.<br />
<br />
Look at the difference between the two sides of the building in the
Oklahoma city bombing. You can see all the central support columns that
helped keep much of the building standing. A high explosive was used and
because of all the support columns, much of the building was left
standing.<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
<br />
These are two different designed structures and thus the failures modes are different.<br />
<br />
With the WTC, the central support design left a single point of failure.
Added with the failing support due to softening steel, tones of
concrete and steel mass above the failing structure, soon it has to give
out.<br />
<br />
To show the difference, take an ice cube and some popsicle sticks to
make a construction like the WTC’s. Put the ice cube in the middle and
put weight on the sticks. See if the structure survives after the ice
cube melts. Not the exact same but it ties into the full design. Now
repeat the experiment with extra support columns for the popsicle
sticks. Different failure modes.<br />
<br />
Also, take two pieces of concrete about the same size and mass. Put them
on a piece of steel. Hit both with as much force as possible. One with a
normal hammer and the other with a 10Kg sledge hammer. See how much
more damage is done to both.<br />
<br />
I still have to check the references of the paper in regards to the talk of thermite.<br />
<br />
I will be passing this paper onto a couple of engineering and chemistry
friends of mine to read. I know they have an interest in the WTC
terrorist attacks.<br />
<br />
I could repeat much of what is said here.<br />
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml<br />
<br />
I will look through the papers references and comment on those later this weekend.<br />
<br />
Reply<br />
<br />
12 Robin April 9, 2009 at 3:25 pm<br />
How many of these buildings had been impacted by a jet plane?<br />
<br />
How many of them were built with the wide open design of the WTC towers?
Now secondary support columns for the individual floors.<br />
<br />
I did look at these sites over the years and I cannot find a single
building that was subjected to the same stresses and forces as well as
structural damage as the WTC’s were.<br />
<br />
Seeing the video of the pieces of planes shooting through the other side
of the buildings is enough for me to believe that there was some severe
damage inside.<br />
<br />
For those that don’t believe in the effect of heat and steel bending, I have an experiment that you can do in your own home.<br />
<br />
Take a self cleaning oven. Put two cast iron frying pans on a rack and
run the self cleaning cycle. You will get a clean oven, a pair of clean
frying pans (great for re-seasoning) and a bent oven rack. The weight of
the pans on the rack is enough to stress the rack to bend it under the
heat of the oven.<br />
<br />
It is very easy to use what seems to be similar looking situations for
comparison. But you have to look at the details to make an honest
comparison.<br />
<br />
Remember that the towers were struck with much higher damage than just a
fire. Look at the blue prints for the construction of the towers and
show me which building you reference even comes close to this design.<br />
<br />
Look at the difference between the two sides of the building in the
Oklahoma city bombing. You can see all the central support columns that
helped keep much of the building standing. A high explosive was used and
because of all the support columns, much of the building was left
standing.<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing<br />
<br />
These are two different designed structures and thus the failures modes are different.<br />
<br />
With the WTC, the central support design left a single point of failure.
Added with the failing support due to softening steel, tones of
concrete and steel mass above the failing structure, soon it has to give
out.<br />
<br />
To show the difference, take an ice cube and some popsicle sticks to
make a construction like the WTC’s. Put the ice cube in the middle and
put weight on the sticks. See if the structure survives after the ice
cube melts. Not the exact same but it ties into the full design. Now
repeat the experiment with extra support columns for the popsicle
sticks. Different failure modes.<br />
<br />
Also, take two pieces of concrete about the same size and mass. Put them
on a piece of steel. Hit both with as much force as possible. One with a
normal hammer and the other with a 10Kg sledge hammer. See how much
more damage is done to both.<br />
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I still have to check the references of the paper in regards to the talk of thermite.<br />
<br />
I will be passing this paper onto a couple of engineering and chemistry
friends of mine to read. I know they have an interest in the WTC
terrorist attacks.<br />
<br />
I could repeat much of what is said here.<br />
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml<br />
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I will look through the papers references and comment on those later this weekend.<br />
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Reply<br />
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6 Arthur Scheuerman April 9, 2009 at 4:52 pm<br />
The Myth of Controlled Demolition of the WTC Buildings<br />
1<br />
Ferris oxide (rust), aluminum, carbon, iron, silicon(sand) are exotic
high teck explosives? The “truthers” just through any new idea into the
air and charge it with emotion and call it science. It is amazing to me
how many Architects and Engineers cannot understand how the Towers could
collapse from fire. Architect Richard Gage says he has 500 to 600
Engineers and Architects who believe the Towers and Building 7 were
demolished by explosives. WTC 7, a high-rise office building was not hit
by any planes and was destroyed by a fire in ordinary combustible
furnishings. You may say it’s highly unreasonable to believe that 4
steel constructed high-rise buildings collapsed from fire in one day?
Well they all had one thing in common; Long Span steel composite floors
with connections not designed for thermal effects. They designed these
buildings to maximize office space while maintaining exterior views and
providing office layout flexibility and the interior columns were
interfering and had to be removed. This column removal was attained by
using long span steel beams and girders which are used in many existing
office high-rise buildings. The use of lightweight, long floor spans
along with the 1968 building code relaxation lowering the fireproofing
requirements have apparently created a condition that with large fires
in these buildings could lead to a major collapse. Long span steel beams
have a magnified response to heat. They expand a longer distance than
short span beams and they still have their full strength in the
beginning of the expansion. NIST computer studies show that this
strength while the beam is elongating can shear off the bolts connecting
the beams to the columns or girders if the connections are not designed
to counter this effect. This strength as the beam expands can also
crack the concrete slab at the shear studs and buckle the beam itself as
differential internal compression builds up in the steel during
expansion. A buckled or bowing long span (over 40 feet) beam can impart
large tension forces on the connections especially when a sagging beam
begins to shrink as it cools. Bowing occurs when the bottom flange of a
steel beam expands faster than the top flange. Bar joist floor bowing
places immediate pull-in tension on the connections.<br />
<br />
The performance of the floor/beam systems in such buildings has been
attributed to a complex interrelated sequence of events, described
rather simply as follows (Buchanan 2001):<br />
<br />
1. The fire causes heating of the beams and the underside of the slab.<br />
2. The slab and beam deform downwards as a result of thermal bowing.<br />
3. Thermal expansion causes compressive axial restraint forces to develop in the beams.<br />
4. The reaction from the stiff surrounding structure causes the axial restraint<br />
forces to become large.<br />
5. The yield strength and modulus of elasticity of the steel reduce steadily.<br />
6. The downward deflections increase rapidly due to the combined effects of the<br />
applied loads, thermal bowing, and the high axial compressive forces.<br />
7. The axial restraint forces reduce due to the increased deflections and the<br />
reduced modulus of elasticity, limiting the horizontal forces on the<br />
surrounding structure.<br />
8. Higher temperatures lead to a further reduction of flexural and axial strength<br />
and stiffness. (NISTIR 7563)<br />
9. The slab–beam system deforms into a catenary, resisting the applied loads<br />
with tensile membrane forces.<br />
10. As the fire decays, the structural members cool down and attempt to shorten in length.<br />
11. High tensile axial forces [pull-in] are induced in the slab, the beam, and the beam connections.<br />
These actions can take place in two or three dimensions<br />
<br />
Photo of Steel structure after Cardington tests in the UK<br />
<br />
Use of Steel in Construction<br />
<br />
Steel has always had a stability problem under fire conditions. Steel
members begin to expand immediately when heated and internal thermal
stress in the beams, girders, or joists bends, buckles, twists, and
warps the steel, eroding structural integrity. Thermal expansion in a
long span beam can shear off the bolts connecting the beam. Thermal
contraction in a sagging, long span steel beam can tear out the
connections as the beam cools. From a collapse potential the long span,
bar joist trusses used in the Tower construction was a most vulnerable
design. It was evident from the bowing inward of the exterior columns
that the sagging trusses pulled-in these columns on the long span side
of each building beginning the progressive collapses. There is also
evidence that the collapse timing corresponded with the time to heat
these steel trusses,- depending on the insulation thickness used in each
tower,- to a temperature which expanded the steel enough to collapse
the trusses or cause thermal bowing where the lower truss chord expands
allowing the top chord to go into suspension, or upon cooling of the
sagging contracting trusses pulled in the exterior column walls .<br />
<br />
UK engineer Dr. A.S. Usmani, et al., related the following relative to
his preliminary findings about the collapse of the WTC Towers: 5<br />
<br />
Due to their length and slenderness, the thermal expansion effects in
long-span, steel bar joists produce compression buckling in floors at
lower temperatures than are presently compensated for in the
fireproofing codes. This sort of thing has not been considered in the
design of high-rise structures, with the possibility of multiple-floor
fires.<br />
<br />
Longer-span steel structural members expand a greater distance than
short-span elements, and, as they are heated, slender elements can fail
from buckling under compression at temperatures that are still low
enough (400° to 500°C) that the steel retains most of its strength.<br />
<br />
According to S. Lamont et al “The furnace test does not consider vial
structural phenomena found in the 3D behavior of real buildings
including large deflections, restrained thermal expansion and thermal
bowing, membrane and catenary load carrying mechanisms in slabs and
beams respectively, and compatibility of deflections in two or more
directions in an integrated structural frame,”41<br />
<br />
Expansion Effects<br />
<br />
The wider floor sections of the Towers had longer 60 foot joists, which,
because of increased loads, would be inherently weaker and would expand
and lengthen a greater distance if exposed to heat. Note: “Steel will
expand .06 percent to .07 percent in length for each 100°F rise in
temperature. Heated to 1,000°F, a steel member will expand 9½ inches in
100 feet of length.” 21 According to the FEMA, ASCE- Building
Performance Study, “an unrestrained, 20-meter-long [about 60-foot] steel
member that experiences a temperature increase of 500°C [1,022°F] will
expand approximately 110 mm [4.0 inches].”18 Note: Steel expansion
begins immediately as the steel is heated and can be destructive to the
long span trusses even though the steel temperature is low enough (300
to 500 C) that the steel retains most of its strength.<br />
<br />
“Differential expansion of steel is probably the main cause of failure
of the floor system used in the towers. Since the top chord of the
long-span truss is steel, it will elongate more than the top concrete
slab at the same temperature. Steel, if not adequately insulated, will
also absorb heat faster than concrete. Steel differential expansion has
been shown to be a cause of bowing, shear-induced buckling of the struts
and the loss of composite action in the floor system [as a result of]
the shear ‘knuckles’ detaching from the concrete. The knuckle bonds
sequentially break, starting at the ends, eliminating the composite
action under load. “(NIST, 2, Appendix K):<br />
<br />
Current practice is to protect the steel by requiring enough insulation
to prevent loss of strength by preventing columns from reaching 1000
deg. F (538o C) and beams from reaching 1100 deg. F (593o C) in the
standard furnace test. This criterion has proven effective in short span
designs. As the steel is heated further and temperatures rise to higher
than 600°F, steel loses strength. At 1,200°F (about 650°C), steel loses
about 50 percent of its strength. At 1,300°F (about 700°C), the yield
point is drastically reduced and steel members fail. The collapse of
Building 7 and the Twin Towers has been proven that this protection
requirement (i.e. 10000 F. for columns and 11000 F for beams) inadequate
when protecting long span steel floors since the expansion effects in
steel beams can buckle the beams or fail the connections at lower
temperatures (400 to 5000 C). Long span steel must now be protected from
heat by adequate fireproofing insulation and integrated properly to
compensate for the lower temperature effects of thermal expansion and
contraction during fires. To maintain building stability, lateral
bracing becomes even more important in construction that features
lightweight, long-span floors. All three buildings relied on floor
membrane stability to laterally support the columns.<br />
<br />
The fireproofing insulation thickness schedules in the Building Code
were developed for the short span floors which were used in the older
high-rise buildings and this insulation defended against thermal
weakness in the steel beams rather than expansion which apparently was
not a problem in the shorter spans. Steel weakening occurs later at
higher temperatures 1100deg. F (about 600 deg. C). Low temperature
expansion effects occur earlier as the steel is first heated to
temperatures below 400 deg. C and long span, expansion effects have yet
to be compensated for in the fireproofing insulation codes. This
deficiency in high-rise office buildings using large open areas, and
long span composite flooring systems is a new finding uncovered by the
study of the collapse of the Twin Towers and Buildings 5 and 7 and was
first illuminated in the engineering computer studies. Further
scientific research is critically needed to determine what changes are
needed in fireproofing insulation types and schedules for the longer
spans and the possibly of requiring span limitations, redundancies in
column strength, connections designed to compensate for the expansion
and separate lateral column support.<br />
<br />
A key characteristic of large open office areas not compartmented by
firewalls is that a fire can release a large quantity of heat as the
fire spreads over the floor if not extinguished immediately as by a
working, water spray system (sprinkler) or by the Fire Department. The
water spray systems in both towers and Building 7 were damaged by the
forces of plane impacts and in Building 7 by the tower’s collapse
impacts damaging the water mains in the streets which also deprived the
Fire Department of water. Fire size is another major factor affecting
steel failure. FDNY Chief Vincent Dunn explains:<br />
<br />
“A large-area fire in which flames involve much of the steel beam in a
short period of time will heat a beam to its critical temperature more
quickly. A so-called ‘flash fire’—which suddenly involves a large area
with flame, can heat [inadequately fireproofed] steel to its failure
temperature rapidly.”4<br />
<br />
Because long span, lightweight steel, bar-joist floor construction was
used to provide wide-open spaces free of columns within the WTC towers,
vulnerabilities were introduced. Since lightweight steel trusses are
affected by a large fire faster than heavy members, and since they span
such larger areas, their failure would be much more serious than would
the failure of a short-span element.<br />
<br />
The other thing about long span floors is that when an interior column
or columns fail under such large area circumstances the building may not
be able to redistribute the floor loads to other columns and the
collapse is likely to progress upwards putting all the floors above into
suspension. If the building is not protected against progressive
collapse, global (total) collapse can ensue. Building 7 collapsed
because one key interior column failed after the long span floors failed
around it. Because of the long spans the key column was supporting a
large area of flooring on every floor. It was discovered by the NIST
computer studies that failure of this one column would have brought the
entire building down without any fire. Such a lack of column redundancy
should be corrected by deigning the building to withstand the removal
any single column.<br />
<br />
Reports of Controlled Demolition, Molten Steel, Thermite, etc.<br />
<br />
Scientists rarely speak of the ‘truth’ until they have spent enough time
examining the evidence. Its amazing to me how the Architects and
Engineers for 9/11 Truth who apparently have little or no knowledge or
expertise in fire protection or building collapse, just dismiss the
reports of the top Fire Protection engineering experts in their fields
and take some theological professor’s absurd babble as gospel. I suppose
if their car’s engine broke down they would call the local preacher.
The vaguest possibility is immediately touted as the truth and
repeatedly echoed on the internet without any research or fact checking.
Four years after the 9/11 attack and without inspecting any of the
steel the Architect Richard Gage was listening to some equally
uninformed Philosophy Professor, David Ray Griffin and had an epiphany
and from then on he ‘knew’ that the buildings “had to be brought down by
explosives”. “That’s the only way that you could have all the exterior
columns in Building 7 fail within a fraction of a second.” How does he
know all the columns failed at the same moment? These lower columns were
out of sight of the cameras. The first thing to fail was the floors on
the east side then the east interior columns as evidenced by the east
penthouse on the roof caving in. Five seconds later the west penthouse
caved in indicating widespread core column failure and than the exterior
frame started to descend, but the outside frame was strong and there
were large belt trusses around the entire building between the 22nd to
24th floors. These belt trusses held the upper building steady until a
large number of lower exterior columns had failed. With the failure of
most of the interior floors and columns there apparently was an 8 floor
section of exterior columns without lateral support. When this 8 story
section of columns buckled the building began a 2 second period of free
fall acceleration. Building 7 took over 13 seconds to collapse not 6.<br />
<br />
NIST computer models show that the building was deconstructed by the
heat of the uncontrolled fires expanding the long span steel floors,
buckling the beams, disconnecting structural steel, and eventually
buckling one key column which started the progressive collapse. The
design was so flawed that that because that one column buckled the
collapse progressed up to the roof and than across the core to take down
the entire interior of the building. I want to hear what the Architects
& Engineers for 9/11 truth think about a building within which the
failure of one column will start a progressive collapse that brings down
the whole building. Now that’s an architectural and engineering problem
that needs their attention which will not be forthcoming if they
continue to believe the buildings were taken down by supposed
explosives. The Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth’s Richard Gage
is going all around the country spreading his pseudoscientific
misinformation that explosives were used to bring down these buildings.<br />
<br />
The top experts in the field, Shyam Sunder the NIST lead investigator,
Gene Corley the American Society of Civil Engineers lead investigator
both of whom have years and years of engineering experience believe the
buildings were brought down by the fires. Gene Corley who was also the
lead investigator in the Oklahoma City disaster, – which was destroyed
by explosives, – said there was “no evidence of explosives” at the WTC
site. He and Johanthan Barnett another experienced Fire Protection
Engineer were on the scene immediately and examining the steel. Dr.
Barnett described the devastation caused by the interior collapse of
several floors in Building 5 (Yes. Building 5.) from fire when the steel
beams pulled out from their connections. These are all recognized
experts in their fields and have to get things right in order to
maintain their positions. I doubt a person inexperienced in the fire
protection field could prove them wrong on anything related to the
towers collapse without years of study, but they keep trying. The BBC
put on the top building demolition expert Mark Loizeaux who explains how
the towers collapse could not have been a controlled demolition and all
he gets is blasted by the 9/11 ‘truthers’ for being ‘in-on’ the
conspiracy.<br />
<br />
Their spokesperson Kevin Ryan knew very little about how floor
assemblies are tested by his own company Underwriters Laboratory. He
worked in the water testing section of the UL. Mr. Ryan reported that
they tested the steel and it withstood 2000 deg for 3 and 4 hours. The
UL tests 17 foot floor and wall assemblies not the steel per se. The
problem is that the long span composite floors used in the towers were
never tested by anyone in their long span configuration of 60 feet.
Building 7 also used long span steel “I” beams. What most architects
apparently don’t yet know is that lightweight, long span steel trusses
and “I” beams can fail at fire temperatures not yet compensated for in
the codes. The standard furnace test can only handle 17 foot lengths of
flooring and doesn’t test the connections for fire exposure. The furnace
standards were set in the 1930s, 40s, and 50s when about 15 to 20 feet
was the standard span used in high rises built for the more conservative
codes at that time. These older buildings used shorter spans, more
robust columns and beams, stronger connections and better fireproofing
then now and stood up to fires quite well. If a floor failed the
push-out forces of expansion and the pull-in (catenary) forces created
by the short spans were easily handled by the strength of the rest of
the structure. For this reason the codes allowed floors to have a
shorter (3 hour) rating than the columns and girders (4 hours). The 17
foot furnace test, currently still used, is meaningless for the longer
spans and connections. The main problem in the Tower flooring was due to
the differential elongation (expansion) of the steel parts of the
trusses.<br />
<br />
NIST’s studies found that the different expansion rates immediately
deformed the steel parts, buckled the top chords and struts in the bar
joist floors and disconnected the composite bond between the concrete
slab and the steel joists. Greater thermal expansion of the bottom
chords releases the tension and allows the cool top chord to sag and bow
downwards until it acts as a cable in suspension creating pull-in
forces on the columns. Buckling of the top chord allows the bottom chord
to act as a catenary. The contraction of sagging, long span steel
flooring during the cool down faze after the fire dies down puts heavy
pull-in loads on the connections. It is now known that Building 7
collapsed from expansion and/or contraction in the floor beams
disconnecting enough of the beams and girders to affect column
stability. There was a second or two when the perimeter wall came down
at free fall acceleration but this in no way indicates demolition was
involved. There was so much destruction of the interior structure over
many floors that long sections of exterior columns failed at essentially
the same time.<br />
<br />
Many people interpreted the loud sounds and debris being projected out
sideways during the Tower collapses as an indication that explosives
were used. Most of these loud sounds, heard during the collapses were
heard after the collapses began. In order for an explosion to cause a
collapse it would have to occur before the collapse. Some ‘thunder’
sounds were heard in Building 7 before the exterior columns buckled and
these were probably from floors collapsing and impacting the floors
below. Explosive forces great enough to destroy the columns would be as
loud as ten times the decibel level (140 db) of standing next to the
speakers at a rock concert. NIST reports such loud sounds were not heard
nor recorded in the video tapes.<br />
<br />
The undamaged exterior walls can be seen bending and buckling inward in
the videos of both WTC Towers long before any sounds or ground
vibrations occurred. In Tower 2, the exterior columns in the east wall
were photographed bowing inward up to 10 inches, 18 minutes after the
plane’s impact. That’s 38 minutes before the global collapse began. To
be technical, you could say that Tower 2′s collapse began slowly, with
possibly some noise or impact sounds from falling floors, about 38
minutes earlier than the official collapse time.<br />
<br />
Sequence of buckling of Tower 2’s East wall columns.<br />
<br />
The explosive sounds and expanding dust clouds occurred just after the
east wall buckled inward and started the collapse, and not before the
buckling, as would have had to have happened with controlled demolition.<br />
<br />
When the undamaged south exterior wall of Tower 1 was photographed it
was bowing inward up to 55 inches on floors 95 to 101, about six minutes
before these columns were seen buckling inward. This bowing and
buckling was witnessed and video taped by the Police Aviation Unit.<br />
<br />
In the North Tower “thunder” sounds were heard when some floors
apparently collapsed on the south side 12 to 14 seconds before the top
of the building was seen to tilt southward and begin falling as a unit
starting the global collapse. Since each section of floor on the
long-span side weighed about 500 tons, I would take these ‘supposed
explosive’ sounds in Tower 1 as evidence of a floor or floors detaching
and impacting the floors below on the south side which most probably
accelerated south column wall failure. The boom, boom, boom, boom, boom
repetitive sounds reported by firefighters as Tower 2 was coming down
were most likely caused by the sequential collision of impacting floors
after the top of the building began falling. The great quantity of air
on each floor being compressed in a fraction of a second by great weight
and momentum would propel air, smoke, and any concrete dust and debris
outward from the building at great velocity by the bellows effect of the
floors coming together so quickly.<br />
<br />
Initial Collapse Cause<br />
<br />
Much consternation has been expressed because of the fact that NIST only
analyzed the events up to the point where the Towers were poised to
collapse before runaway collapse began and failed to pursue the
remaining collapse. This was largely because once the collapse began the
chaotic impacts of the floors, walls and columns colliding could not
possibly be analyzed accurately with even the strongest computers. As it
was, it was a severe strain on computer capabilities to analyze the
mechanism of collapse up to the point of runaway disintegration. By dint
of computers running for extended periods of time NIST did analyze
almost the complete collapse sequence of building 7.<br />
<br />
Bar joist Floors<br />
<br />
It is clear from the computer studies that the heat from the fires
caused differential expansion of the steel parts in the long span, floor
trusses in the towers with the resulting thermal bowing in some floors
directly exerting pull-in forces on the exterior columns or this thermal
bowing could have detached a floor at the weak, single bolt connections
which would have impacted the floor below destroying its composite
action by separating the concrete slab from the trusses and inducing
strong tensile (suspension) forces in the double weighted floor. In
other floors thermal expansion of the floor against the columns
compressed the trusses which along with shear forces within the trusses
buckled the diagonal compression struts collapsing the trusses
themselves which went into suspension (catenary action) and this also
assisted pull-in and eventually buckled in the exterior column walls.
Differential thermal expansion of the concrete slab and the steel has
also been shown by NIST to disconnect the knuckles (knuckles are the
steel tops of the bent over bars in the trusses which are imbedded in
the concrete) from the concrete slab causing loss of composite behavior
in the floors.<br />
<br />
All these adverse floor effects were caused by steel expansion which
begins immediately as the steel is heated. Bowing and buckling can
happen at low temperatures (300 C to 500 C) even before the steel beams
would have been weakened excessively from higher temperatures. The
longer the beam the further it can expand and since the steel still has
its full strength the expansion can break the bolts holding the beam and
bow or buckle the beam itself. Thermal contraction caused by cooling of
sagging trusses or ‘I’ beams after the fire ‘burns out’ or dies down
can cause strong pull-in forces on the exterior columns and core columns
due to the contraction of the sagging steel trusses or ‘I’ beams.<br />
<br />
Columns<br />
<br />
In order for a column to support the loads it has to be plumb and in
line with the columns above and below. The fact is, columns have to be
axially (in line and centered) aligned to support the weight of the
building above. If they get out of alignment by 10 to 20 degrees they
buckle and can no longer support the weight. The Tower buildings
collapsed because the floors first caved in from restrained thermal
expansion and from thermal bowing or delamination of the slab and bar
joists composite action affecting floor truss stability. The sagging, 60
foot long, floor trusses gradually pulled-in the 59 columns in one
exterior wall in each tower and these column walls eventually buckled
removing practically all support on one entire long span side. In
Building 7 floor failures from steel expansion and/or contraction
disconnecting the floor beams exposed a critical column to loss of
lateral restraint over many floors and lateral forces causing the column
to buckle and remove support for all the floors above and starting the
complete progressive collapse of the building.<br />
<br />
In the WTC Towers once the exterior columns buckling spread, along an
entire wall removing support on one face, the buckling spread around the
towers exterior and into the core and the towers began to tilt. With
the entire top of the building tilting all the columns were out of
alignment and buckling and the leaning top sections of the tower began
to fall straight down. Although the North tower antenna appeared from
some northern angles to have began falling straight down it actually
first tilted to the south because the south wall buckled first and the
cantilevered top building section pulled the core along with the entire
top over to the south. This is especially telling as evidence of fire
induced collapse since all the damage from the plane impact was on the
north side which side should have collapsed first,- if the plane damage
was contributory,- and the tower should have leaned over to the north.
The South Towers’ top tilted to the east because its east exterior wall
buckled first from the pull-in forces of the failing long span flooring
trusses on that side. Once the tower’s tops began tilting all the
columns across the buildings would be out of alignment and easily
buckled.<br />
<br />
There have been some engineering analyses about the impacting floors
slowing down the collapse so that the time to collapse should have been
much longer than ‘free fall’ times of an object dropped from the towers
tops. Once the buildings started to tip over from loss of column support
on one side, the tremendous excess eccentric weight began buckling all
the columns across the building. Once the tilted tower’s tops began
descending the columns hit the floors or the lower columns at eccentric
angles which easily detached the floors and buckled the columns. In
order for the lower building section to offer any meaningful resistance
to the falling building top, the columns would have had to hit each
other exactly in line and plumb and this was impossible with the top of
the building leaning causing eccentric angles of impact.<br />
<br />
Once the Towers top building sections began tilting the columns on the
side that originally buckled did not line up at all. These columns would
have been hitting the floors and would have easily detached or buckled
them. After the east wall buckled in Tower 2, the adjacent perimeter
wall columns buckled from overloads and the columns on the opposite,
west side of the building acted as a hinge would still be bearing on
each other but at an eccentric angle which means they also would have
also eventually buckled as the top tilted. These columns along with some
of the core columns as they buckled are probably what kicked the bottom
of the top building section to the west as reported by NIST. Because of
the weight of the accumulating collapsing floors, there was a release
of incredible potential energy changing to kinetic energy and building
momentum as the accumulating chaotic mass of debris accelerated into the
cellars.<br />
The heavy core columns depended on the floors for lateral support once
they lost lateral support and experienced ‘pull in’ forces and got out
of plumb, there would have been little resistance to their buckling at
the weak splices. After the upper part of the buildings began
descending, with the incredible weight of the top of the buildings’
gaining momentum, like a heavy wedge or sledge all it had to do was
break the welded, and single bolt connections holding the floors to the
columns.<br />
<br />
This is coupled with the fact that the falling top section’s momentum
increases as the square of the number of floors impacted as the floors
were detached and added to the weight of the descending top. There would
have been little resistance to slow the top section’s increasing mass
of impacted floors acceleration to the ground. Because this acceleration
due to gravity increased the speed and momentum of the collapsing
floors and building top, the impacts were increasingly violent as shown
on the seismic graphs; increasing in amplitude until maximum when the
mass of accumulating impacted floors hit bedrock seven stories into the
cellar.<br />
<br />
Since the Tower’s outer wall columns, especially in Tower 1, pealed out
like a banana after the building top began to impact and disconnect the
floors, these wall columns may have been able to break the connections
to the floors ahead of the floors being impacted? In other words, with
the weight of the wall columns pealing outward from the vertical along
with the added horizontal forces of impacting floors projecting smoke
and debris outwards onto these columns, these columns, while leaning
out, might have been able to break the wall-to-floor connections ahead
of the level of impacting floors or with the excess strain the
connections could have failed sooner. If this is possible than I believe
that the connection failures could have traveled down the sides of the
buildings and accelerated faster than free fall. This might explain the
rapidity of the collapses especially in Tower 1. The wall-to-floor
connection failures could have traveled down the building sides and in
effect started the floors falling before they were impacted by the
accumulating mass of impacted floors above. Anyway this mechanism would
have surly reduced the failure times of the floor connections.<br />
<br />
But these buildings did not collapse faster than free fall times and
this is proved by the photos themselves. It can be seen that the
detached exterior walls which were falling at free fall acceleration
after they detached, were falling faster than the remaining center
portions of the buildings. This fact proves the Towers fell slower than
free fall acceleration.<br />
<br />
The heavy exterior wall columns in the 1500 foot high buildings while
pealing off could project the column sections outwards a great distance.
This distance (300 to 400 feet) was proposed as only being made
possible by explosive forces. I disagree. If a wall is strong enough and
doesn’t break up as it falls outward it can fall out flat to a distance
equal to its height. The Tower walls, however, did break at the weak
column splices as they fell.<br />
<br />
The compression of the 12 foot chunk of air on each floor down to a
fraction of an inch in a fraction of a second as the floors came
together would propel the air smoke and dust outward from the building
at great velocity. The lightweight aluminum cladding as it broke free
from the buckling columns also would have been propelled outward a great
distance by this expanding cloud of air, smoke and dust. This gas
compression would account for huge dust clouds and pieces of aluminum
seen projected outwards from the upper sections of the collapsing
buildings.<br />
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The light reflected off the aluminum pieces at the north wall of Tower 2
were interpreted as flashes from explosive ‘squibs’. These pieces of
aluminum broke off from buckling columns. The flashes below the buckling
east wall may have been from the aluminum cladding breaking free from
the lower columns as they expanded after being unloaded of axial
compressive weight by the buckling of the wall above and their expansion
breaking the connections to the cladding. Also explosives leave
characteristic tears and fractures in steel and especially in aluminum,
and such indications were not found anywhere in the debris pile.<br />
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The compression of air in the elevator and air-conditioning shafts by
the collapsing upper building section and floors, would project air,
smoke, and dust down these shafts and out any path of least resistance
on any floor or any of the HVAC air intake or discharge openings on the
lower mechanical equipment floors in the exterior walls. This accounts
for the plumes of smoke seen projecting outwards sideways from the
buildings well below the collapsing floors. There were quite extensive
Heating, Ventilating, and Air Conditioning (HVAC) shafts built into the
building. These vertical shafts are connected to air conditioning
exhaust and intake ducts open to the exterior on the mechanical floors.<br />
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Deep Seated Pockets of Fire<br />
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After any fire in which a building collapses, there often remain pockets
of fire deep within the rubble pile. These ‘deep seated pockets of
fire’ sometimes cannot be reached by water streams because of their
being covered by debris. Air is sometimes drawn up from the bottom of
the pile and feeds these inaccessible fires with air because these
natural convection currents. Heated air rises because of its expansion
and resultant buoyancy and is replaced by cool air drawn in from the
bottom and sides of the fire. This air flow can become rapid because of
the high temperatures developed. The more air drawn in the hotter the
fire becomes and the increased temperature increases the convection
currents which draw in more air. After a collapse there is more
combustible material available to feed the fire. Like in a furnace the
containment of heat by insulation provided by the compacted combustible
material surrounding the fire allows the gradual increase of
temperature. I am convinced that temperatures of over 2000 deg F. can
easily be developed in these deep seated pockets of fire in the rubble
of a collapsed building. This temperature is still incapable of melting
steel unless there is excess oxygen available.<br />
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These fires can last for days and the heat can become intense and can
heat any steel in proximity to the fire until the steel is glowing red,
orange or yellow hot. These pockets of fire are common at burning
building collapses and in no way evidence that that explosives or
thermite were used to demolish the buildings. These underground fires
are similar to blacksmith forge fires where air is blown into the
charcoals by a bellows to raise the temperature of the fire to heat a
piece of steel or iron. The blacksmith can tell how hot the steel or
iron is by its color and can tell when the steel is soft enough to work
it with a hammer.<br />
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I talked to a blacksmith at Old Bethpage Restoration on Long Island and
he told me that he can create enough heat to burn and melt the steel and
it sometimes happens when he is talking to people and absent mindedly
keeps pulling the bellows chord and feeding air into the coals. Burning
the iron melts the steel and ruins the work.<br />
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“With bellows blowing additional air through the fire, it can reach
temperatures of about 3,000° Fahrenheit. Iron burns at 2,800°, however,
so the smith has to be careful to not ruin his work! … The smith’s fire
contains too much oxygen to allow iron to melt; as it approaches its
melting point the iron burns instead.”<br />
http://www.osv.org/cgi-bin/CreatePDF.php?/tour/index.php?L=12&PDF=Y<br />
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Pure oxygen is used in oxyacetylene torches to actually ignite burn and
melt the steel when cutting. These torches were used to help clear the
debris pile during search and recovery operations. A slag of melted and
re-solidified steel and Ferrous oxide is formed on the opposite side of
the cut. This slag formation and the angle of these cuts were
erroneously reported to be evidence of cutter (demolition) charges
having been used to sever the columns. Small molten pieces of glowing
steel cool into spheres as they fly out from the cut. These steel
microspheres,- said to be evidence of thermite,- would also have been
produced during the buildings’ construction by welders and retained in
the concrete or else where only to be released during the collapse.<br />
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The deep seated pockets of fire often have to be dug out by hand tools,
back hoes or grapplers in order to expose the burning material for
extinguishment. It is common to hold off hitting the fire with water
until it is fully exposed in order to prevent the great amount of steam
that would be created from obscuring the work area until the fire is
fully exposed and can be quickly extinguished. This is what is happening
in the picture of a grappler pulling out a piece of glowing hot steel
from the debris pile so often described as ‘molten’ steel.<br />
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About the “meteorite” recovered from ground zero. Everyone uses the word
‘molten’ in describing the steel in the meteorite when it actually is
deformed pieces of the bar joist flooring compacted with concrete and
pieces of furnishings. This is careless language. Apparently people
seeing steel deformed by heat immediately call it molten or melted
steel. Melted or molten steel indicates a liquid state which only occurs
at higher temperatures than an ordinary fire can produce. The meteorite
is a piece of pancaked concrete and steel floors fused together by high
impacts. It contains charred pieces of books and paper which would not
be present if heat high enough to melt steel existed at anytime in the
“meteorite”.<br />
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Much has been made of the presence of molten metal in the debris pile
after the collapse. Presumably this molten metal was somehow thought to
be connected to explosions or thermite charges, but there were
Uninterrupted Power Supply (UPS) battery rooms on some floors of the
Towers and Building 7. These battery rooms supplied continuous battery
power to computers if the electricity failed for any reason. These
batteries contained tons of lead which melts at low temperatures [327 C
(621 F)]. The heat from the fires in the debris pile could easily have
melted this lead and the aluminum from the plane and aluminum from the
tower’s own cladding which were probably the metals that were seen
flowing through the pile. NIST reported UPS in the 13th floor of
Building 7 and the 81st floor of Tower 2. There were also quantities of
lead, tin, silver and even gold used in the computer circuit boards. In
the some people’s imagination the reported ‘flowing molten metal’ became
‘rivers of molten steel’.<br />
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Additionally the EPA reported over 400 different chemicals in the dust
and debris. These chemicals could easily be assembled conceptually to
propose any type of chemical reaction imaginable including thermite
reactions. In addition thermite reactions are rapid they are over in a
matter of seconds and wouldn’t last the hours or days at which times the
molten metal was observed. As far as I know thermite has never been
used to demolish buildings and the expertise probably doesn’t exist.
Thermite is hard to control and can’t be held against the columns
because it would burn, spall or melt down through any material used to
support it against the columns long enough to do enough damage to cause
the column to buckle.<br />
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About the concrete pulverization into dust reported to be only possible
by explosive charges; F.R. Greening did a paper called Energy Transfer
in the WTC Collapse in which he says “the energy required to crush
concrete to 100 μm particles is 1.9 × 1011 J, which is well within the
crushing capacity of the available energy. Hence it is theoretically
possible for the WTC collapse events to have crushed more than 90 % of
the floor concrete to particles well within the observed particle size
range.” http://nistreview.org/WTC-REPORT-GREENING.pdf. I would also
investigate the possibility that the concrete was sub par to begin with
due too much air or water having been added during the pouring and
finishing operation to speed working and leveling the cement or to
freezing during curing in the course of construction.<br />
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Do you think the architect or engineers who built the Towers would want
to admit the deficiencies in design, fireproofing and other construction
weaknesses after their buildings collapsed? Do you think they will get
any other jobs after 4 of their buildings collapsed from fire? How come
the 9/11, Architects & Engineers for truth never mention Building 5.
Building 5 had a serious fire on many floors and had several floors
collapse from the steel beams being disconnected from the columns due to
thermal expansion, sagging and catinary action tearing out the bolted
beam connections? (ASCE, Building Performance Study) I suppose that some
of the ‘truthers’ never even read the American Society of Civil
Engineer’s or the NIST’s report. Did building 5 also have charges set
beforehand? How many other buildings had hypothetical charges set
beforehand and were never set off? If they went to all the trouble to
rig all these buildings with alleged explosives, why didn’t they just
set them off and forget the planes and the fires. Waiting for the planes
and fires would surely increase their chances of being detected.<br />
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There are so many questions answered by the fire theories and so many
unanswerable questions posed by the demolition theories that it is
ludicrous to continue the proposition that explosives had to be employed
to collapse these buildings.<br />
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Do you know that the Port Authority of NY, NJ didn’t legally have to
follow any building codes? The reason the columns broke at the splices
was that they had serious weaknesses due to lack of reinforcing plates
or even welds on most of the exterior column, bolted splices and not
because of the ridiculous idea repeated incessantly by Richard Gauge
that they were broken up into short pieces, presumably by explosives,
‘so they would fit onto the trucks to be carried away’. The long span
truss floors were never tested for fire resistance at their design
length. Why do you think it took so long to get the plans for the
buildings after they collapsed while the building engineers had them all
along? I am sad to think the architects and engineers for 9/11 truth
would be accepting of such a convenient excuse,- that explosives or
thermite was involved,- but that idea would allow them to avoid the
introspection necessary to fully realize their own ignorance of what
fire can do to steel beams and columns,- a necessary realization before
meaningful knowledge can be developed to make their buildings safe.<br />
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About the eye witnesses hearing supposed explosions; there are many
reasons that loud sounds can be produced at a fire. Most of the people
in Tower 2 did not know Tower 1 had been struck by a plane but they
heard the explosion and even felt the radiant heat produced by the
fireball. Often at fires the ones closest to the fires and engaged in
heavy work have a very limited overall conception of what is actually
happening. When you don’t know what’s happening especially in the dark
smoky conditions your imagination starts to work. Barry Jennings said he
was stepping over dead bodies when being led out of building 7 after it
was hit by pieces of Tower 1. He later admitted that he never actually
saw these bodies. He must have imagined it. I suppose he also imagined
seeing the two Towers still standing amid the smoke after he experienced
a supposed explosion while descending the stairway. The “explosion”
that Barry Jenning’s heard was probably the pieces of Tower 1 hitting
Building 7. Even experienced reporters couldn’t believe the towers were
gone from the skyline after they collapsed.<br />
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When Tower 2 collapsed most of the people in Tower 1 thought the sounds
and vibrations came from the building they were in and they even felt a
rush of air up the stairs as the air was compressed in the cellars. The
fact that they are in strange circumstances with lack of information,
smoke and possibly darkness, and the presence of strange sounds creates a
fertile field for the imagination. There can also be real smoke
explosions (backdrafts) particularly in fires that have a flammable
liquid involved. One elevator shaft that extended into the cellars
experienced a fuel-air explosion from the jet fuel spilling down and
evaporating in the shaft. There were other fuel-air explosions in the
elevator shafts. There could have been floor detachments impacting the
floors below and producing loud sounds before any general collapse
began. Explosives produce loud distinctive pressure waves that can leave
people deaf or blow out eardrums and usually blow out all the windows
on the particular floor and in any buildings nearby. This kind of sharp
piercing crack was not heard. The windows broken out and marble wall
panels detached on the interior of the first floor lobby were probably
because of torque or bending forces experienced on the lower floor
columns from the plane impacts many floors above. The buildings were
reported to sway several feet when the planes hit the towers. In order
to let additional light into the lobby these lower exterior columns were
fewer and further apart than the columns above. The lower ‘core’
columns in this area were stronger and securely cross braced to
compensate for this weakness of the exterior columns in the lobby. This
fact was probably responsible for saving the lives of the members of a
Ladder Company who were trapped in the stairwell on these lower floors
during the collapse. It’s too bad this strength wasn’t continued up the
core to the building top. It may have saved many more lives by
protecting the stairways. The reports of “explosions” in the cellars
were also probably from such column or floor displacements or from jet
fuel ignitions in the elevator shafts. If you imbed a stick into the
ground and hit it with another stick most of the deformation will be in
the ground around the bottom of the stick. There were reports of split
walls and ceiling collapses on many floors after the planes hit.<br />
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The “mysterious” collapse of Building 7.<br />
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How do you think that the alleged conspirators knew that Building 7
would be hit by pieces of Tower 1 which would set it on fire? They would
have to know this beforehand in order to set the mysterious explosive
charges that allegedly demolished the building. Why did they wait 5
hours while the fires burned before they set off these alleged charges,
and how did these so called explosive charges or thermite withstand the
fires for 5 hours without igniting and burning off? The NIST computer
models show steel beams buckling, sagging floors and disconnection of
the beams from the columns and finally failure of one key column which
started the global collapse, all from the heat of the fires expanding
the long span steel and breaking the bolted shear connections in
Building 7.<br />
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BBC reporting error on Building 7 collapse.<br />
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You may ask “How did the BBC know that the Towers were going to
collapse?” The BBC didn’t know. Did you ever hear a mistake made by a
reporter? Or do you believe everything you are told by a TV reporter in
the heat of an emergency? The BBC reporter on the air received an
erroneous report that the Building 7 had collapsed before it actually
did and reported it well before the actual occurrence. It was a simple
mistake.<br />
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I can imagine how it happened. In addition to the damage done to
Building 7 by the heavy steel column trees that pealed off of the
collapsing towers some of these steel columns penetrated the roads and
broke the nearby water mains. There was fire on many floors in Building 7
and without water these fires could not be controlled. The collapse
possibility was anticipated by the Fire Dept. who ordered the evacuation
out of the building and out of a “collapse zone” about 600 feet around
the building. Apparently they were the only people who realized the
possibility that an out of control fire on multiple floors in a steel
framed, long span, open area, office building could cause a collapse.
They had just experienced the collapse of two similar buildings trapping
and killing many of their brothers. The ‘collapse zone’ was a large
area including buildings and streets around Building 7 and clearing this
large area of people was a big problem. To get some people reluctant to
move swiftly out of the area I can imagine someone saying “the
building’s coming down”. A reporter may have heard this and called his
boss and told him the building 7 is coming down. The person receiving
the call believed the building was already collapsing. It went out over
the air as the building had already collapsed before the actual
occurrence. The anticipation of collapse was a brilliant call by the
Fire Dept. and no lives were lost when the 47 story building collapsed a
few hours after the evacuation order was given.<br />
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This is a message from Chief of Department (ret.) Daniel Nigro the chief
in charge of the fire, addressing the conspiracy theories surrounding
the collapse of WTC 7.<br />
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Release date: September 23, 2007<br />
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Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute
of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to
be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed
already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]).
That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in
great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following
the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many
on my staff).<br />
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The reasons are as follows:<br />
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1 – Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed,
the collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures
subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.<br />
2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.<br />
3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.<br />
4. Numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.<br />
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For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner
[Larry Silverstein], the mayor or anyone else – as ranking fire officer,
that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone
surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone.
Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.<br />
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Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.<br />
<br />
Regards, Dan Nigro<br />
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)<br />
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On October 4 2001 Chief Nigro said; “The most important operational
decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse [of Tower 1] had
damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at
Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had a very heavy
fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient
around [building 7] to protect our members, so we had to give up some
rescue operations which were going on at the time [under the ruble of
Tower 1] and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade
Center did collapse, we wouldn’t lose any more people. We continued to
operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour
and a half after that order [to evacuate the building and collapse zone]
was given, at 5;30 in the afternoon, 7 World Trade Center collapsed
completely. I continued to operate at the scene until probably somewhere
around 8 o’clock, at which time I borrowed Chief Meyer’s car, because
mine was destroyed and went home to [take a], shower, change my clothes
and I came back to work at approximately between 11 and midnight with
Chief Turi.”<br />
(New York Times interview Date; October 24, 2001 , transcribed by Elizabeth F. Nason)<br />
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If you really believe that all the top fire protection engineers from
the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) and government scientists
from National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
investigating the collapse are in on a conspiracy and also want to
accuse the BBC, the NYC Fire Department, the NYC Police Department, the
Red Cross and all the Government agencies controlling access Building 7
of being ‘in on’ a secret controlled demolition even though there was no
hard evidence than I would say you may be suffering from a case of
paranoia. Paranoia can easily become contagious when people panic and no
longer trust their government. We certainly had reason not to trust our
previous government. I would say that if you really believe these
preposterous demolition theories you should do some soul searching and
possibly seek some therapeutic help.<br />
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In conclusion I think all the reports of controlled demolition can be
explained by sounds or sights produced by the plane impacts and jet fuel
and air explosions; the sounds of the Towers collapse. When the
interior of building 7 collapsed it would have produced loud sounds well
before the exterior walls began collapsing.<br />
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It’s an ill wind that blows no good and the good thing is that NIST now
has an effective computer model to test whether a new or existing
building is safe from collapse from fire. The architects and engineers
should use this capability to assure any proposed or existing designs
are safe. Another good thing is that any corrections proposed can be run
through the computer and any tested for effectiveness. This NIST
computer work,- which modeled the fires and every steel column and beam
with their connections,- shows that Building 7 was deconstructed by the
heat of the uncontrolled fires expanding the long span steel floors,
buckling beams, disconnecting structural steel connections, collapsing
the floors and eventually buckling one key column which started the
progressive collapse. The connections and lateral support were so week
that that the collapse of one key column progressed across the core to
take down the entire interior of the building. Now that’s an
architectural and engineering problem. I want to hear what the
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth think about a building that
can loose one column which starts a progressive collapse that brings
down the whole building. Design problem? They should be eager to get
those computer models working instead of raving about some imaginary
explosives having brought down these buildings.<br />
<br />
Arthur Scheuerman<br />
Retired Battalion Chief, FDNY<br />
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18 fuck face April 11, 2009 at 11:08 am<br />
Ya'll niggas smart<br />
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19 SteelMelts April 11, 2009 at 5:21 pm<br />
Let me guess, Rosie sponsored the this fact finding mission?<br />
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26 klistir April 12, 2009 at 2:34 pm<br />
Arthur<br />
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you are a liar. Who paid you to write this "expose" of yours? Aren't you ashamed of what you are doing?<br />
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First of all, I tried your little oven trick and noticed NO bending whatsoever. Pure LIE. <br />
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Secondly, you are saying chemists and physicists can't recognize
ordinary RUST and tell it apart from composite explosives? Are you
kidding? And WHO are you kidding?<br />
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Thirdly, all those reports on explosions in the buildings, reports on
molten steel found on all three sites, nearly free fall speed collapse
of all three buildings, that's all bogus? Immediate disposal of
structure steel from all three sites? And we all saw the pictures of
some scarce fires in WTC 7. There was a relatively heavy fire on only
one floor, all the others were minor. And those fires caused all support
columns to fail SIMULTANEOUSLY? Once again, WHO do you think you are
kidding?<br />
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People like you really make me sick, you disgusting disinfo shill. Yuck!<br />
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27 Dad April 12, 2009 at 5:30 pm<br />
Thaks Sherm, now we know which buildings to avoid.<br />
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36 kevin April 13, 2009 at 6:24 am<br />
(linkback) Believe or Doubt? Exotic High Tech Explosives Positively Identified in WTC Dust [VOTE] -<a href="http://www.pikk.com/e8fbf" target="_blank">http://www.pikk.com/e8fbf</a><br />
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41 Robin April 13, 2009 at 6:35 pm<br />
First. Lkistir, my oven rack bent under the load of two cast iron frying
pans during the normal 3 hour self cleaning oven cycle. Maybe the alloy
in my oven racks are softer than yours or you didn't run the full
cleaning cycle.<br />
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How many of the witnesses have ever heard a "real" explosion? Are they
basing their experiences on what they have seen on TV or movies? Many of
the sounds in movies and TV programs are produced by sound technicians.
Look up "foley artists".<br />
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I can simulate the sound of an explosion and make it look like an
explosion with the use of flour and plywood. If you didn't see me do
this, you would have sworn there was an explosion.<br />
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As for the comment "People like you really make me sick, you disgusting
disinfo shill. Yuck!" just shows that you are so biased that you really
don't care about the truth but belittling those that oppose your point
of view. Oh well.<br />
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I have read through the paper in fine details. I have checked some of
the references and have found some trends that are not very scientific.
Along the line of the Intelligent Design crowd.<br />
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Now for the scientists that wrote this paper. They have spent the much
of their time looking at ways to prove their thoughts of conspiracy.
They have presented the same evidence in multiple papers with basically
different titles looking to get this reaction. They are so focussed on
their fight that they have blinded themselves from being true scientists
and not looking at the facts. I say this because I work with scientists
day in and day out. Physicists, mathematicians, chemists and engineers.
I know how biases can affect real work from first hand experience.<br />
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1. The percentage of "thermite type" material from the paper is about
0.1% of the samples. Now if you are getting 2cm of dust at a location
hundreds of meters away, that means the amount of thermetic material has
to be in the tonnes.<br />
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2. The planes didn't take out only one floor. They took out and damaged
multiple floors. You can see this in the pictures from the outside,
especially the ones with people in the hole.<br />
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3. The Differential Scanning Calorimetry (DSC) tests on the samples correspond with a phase shift in rust power around 500C.<br />
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4. The paper keeps refereing to nano-thermites. All papers that I have
read on nano-thermites show that the particle sizes are smaller than
those being referenced in the paper. Nano-thermites use "nano" sized,
not micron sized paricles. <br />
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5. On page 17, they reference that the chips don't react to "Methyl
Ethyl Ketone" yet their micrograph shows a reduction of about 80%. Now
either the pictures are wrong or the the paper is wrong.<br />
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6. Much of the WTC had issues with rust. There are many pictures
available from various sources on the net. These were in locations where
fire protection was not present. There are also many reports from
before the completion of the towers about fire proofing not being
installed properly. Due to this, there were areas that had to be
re-fireproofed with modern chemicals. Many of these chemicals are
applied at sum millimetre thickness's. Could these be dust particles
from these areas?<br />
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7. The "scientists" compare a known metal substance to paint in the MEK
tests. Did they use a paint that was used in the WTC construction or
renovations? Did they test against any known metallized paint or
fireproofing materials? Not from what I can read in the paper. BTW, MEK
is combustible and explosive.<br />
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8. No procedure listed on how they tested the samples. This is standard procedure in a "true scientific" paper.<br />
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9. Take a look at references to the operators of the Open Chemical
Physics Journal. I have yet to see any good news about the publishers
and their peer reviewers. In one case, one scientist actually was asked
by the site to be a reviewer but it was not in his field.<br />
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I have passed this paper onto a couple of scientists that are interested
in the 9/11 incident and I will be looking forward to their response.<br />
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I have worked with thermite in the past. I have seen and how it reacts. I
have seen the damage caused by flour when it explodes in a grain
elevator. I have seen the effects of design flaws in construction caused
by nature (Tacoma narrows bridge).<br />
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The World Trade Centres were not built like most steel and concrete high
rises. Only buildings built and constructed the same way can be
compared in the cases of damage by fire and/or explosions.<br />
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Now for some other science.<br />
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Look at simulations used in the engineering field. One of the programs
that is used for Fluid Dynamic is LS-Dyna. It can be used for blast
studies.<br />
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<a href="http://www.ara.com/Projects/SVO/blast_response.html" target="_blank">http://www.ara.com/Projects/SVO/blast_response.html</a> <br />
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<a href="http://www.ara.com/Projects/SVO/NIST_WTC.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ara.com/Projects/SVO/NIST_WTC.htm</a> <br />
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<a href="http://www.luxinzheng.net/news/enwtc.html" target="_blank">http://www.luxinzheng.net/news/enwtc.html</a> <br />
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<a href="http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/" target="_blank">http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/</a> <a href="http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/" target="_blank">http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/</a> <br />
<br />
<a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=5442" target="_blank">http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=5442</a> <br />
<br />
YouTube of some of the above Prudue simulations.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjq-yK2ak_U&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjq-yK2ak_U&feature=related</a> <br />
<br />
Note that if you don't believe in Finite Elemental Analysis, then you
had better be careful because it is used in many engineering fields.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
A true scientist looks at facts and will even admit that they are wrong
when the evidence shows such. I don't believe that these so called
scientists. Look up the references of each of the scientists. I only
looked up the first 4 and only Niels H. Harrit came up with any
reference other than 9/11. This shows a bias towards a conspiracy.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
To me, this is like asking the Intelligent Design "Scientists" to
approve the school science curriculum and to write the 'True Facts on
Darwin.'<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Search about Thermobaric Weapons and Fuel Air explosions. The amount of
destruction that these cause is quite interesting. Vaporised fuel from
the impacts could have caused mini fuel air explosions. <br />
<br />
Kevin, thanks for the link to the poll.<br />
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46 Lee April 14, 2009 at 5:52 pm<br />
I don't understand the point of arguing against papers like this in the
comments section. It's a blow-hard, ego-stroking way to get noticed, but
it doesn't prove anything.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
The article in question may need to be properly fact checked, so be it.
But what makes YOU the expert to disprove it so vehemently?<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
This sums up what I'm thinking: <br />
<br />
"On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog."<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Why should we trust you any more than we trust the "crazy conspiracy
theorists" ? Just because you can post some links to some sites and
argue theory doesn't mean you know what happened any better than anyone
else.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
I'm not saying the high-tech explosives article is correct, I'm saying
arguing about the validity of it on the comments section of yet another
news-blog is childish and egotistical. If you have some real facts to
bring to the table, why don't YOU write a paper about it? Oh, and make
sure it's peer-reviewed.<br />
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Chris April 16, 2009 at 12:02 am<br />
Lee, you read my mind.<br />
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. 6 bandidobob April 18, 2009 at 8:49 am<br />
Art Sherm shure went out of his way to write a bunch of junk! In so many pictures on the net I've noted too many<br />
<br />
steel I beems that were perfectly cut horizontally! WTF!<br />
<br />
Art seems to blame weakening bolts…nonsense. Dr. Steven Jones has found
thermite in samples of the steel & Dr. harrit with 8 other
scientists from Coppenhagen have concluded unspent nanothermite in DUST
that was<br />
<br />
from the twin towers. This is scary because only the U.S.<br />
<br />
military has possession of this hightech material. NIST is definitely
involved with this coverup! The 911 commission report is totally bogus
crap. Nist is guilty of not only fabricating bullshit science, but also
guilty of not <br />
<br />
updating public scientific facts. It's truly amazing that NIST still
stands behind the "pancake" conspiracy. Shhh…Nist doesn't want to speak
of bldg #7! NIST is a <br />
<br />
waste of our tax dollars. Abolish NIST!<br />
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Reply<br />
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. 7 bandidobob April 18, 2009 at 8:50 am<br />
Beems were cut vertically…..sorry<br />
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Reply<br />
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. 16 Robin May 2, 2009 at 1:22 am<br />
I am no expert. I am not a scientist. I am a truth seeker. I have worked
with metals, chemicals and other materials that I cannot discuss. Real
experts earn the term from their peers and opponents. A true expert is
respected by those for and against him. I have not earned that nor will I
ever earn it in the field of explosives. I do work with scientists and I
am married to one.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
I have analysed videos of all types in my line of work and I have gone
over the so-called evidence presented by these so called scientists. I
have seen videos of explosions at 10,000 frames per second involving
structures and buildings. I have looked at many 911 videos over the
years. Many in a frame by frame analysis with software procedures that I
have used to bring out details at work.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
I have discussed 9/11 over the years from people that do know a lot
about construction, metallurgy, concrete and cement, chemistry,
explosives and many more fields all related to what is discussed. These
are real scientists that have many peer reviewed papers in real journals
published and presented around the world.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
I have been involved with investigations into accidents that have
involved explosive materials. Small amounts but enough to kill, maim and
injure people. I have seen the damage done to 1" steel by concrete with
a high momentum.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
I have seen and experienced real explosions at EMRT (While on course) and other locations.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energetic_Materials_Research_and_Training" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energetic_Materials_Research_and_Training</a> <br />
<br />
A true scientist will look at all possibilities before making a
conclusion. Non of the papers ever presented by these scientists have
done that. I have read some of their other papers and they are on a
mission. It may be noble, but it isn't being done with true science. A
biased scientist is just a lay person trying to look like a scientist.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
It is no different that a company paying for research to prove their
point. They make sure that all the tests and studies are skewed towards
the answer that they want. It happens all the time when money is
involved.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
If you want to research, don't look at the videos on YouTube. Find MPG's
of the files. Flash videos are so compressed that they look like
garbage. Next, get a good CRT monitor. LCD monitors cannot display a
full range of color as they don't have a decent "Static" contrast ratio.
You can get some good LCD monitors if you have over $10,000 for one. We
have a couple at work.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Learn how to set up the color balance and gamma of the monitor. Gamma is very important to seeing details.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
This is a pretty good video to work with. It has been processed so there
are some artefacts in it. But it is a good general video coverage.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
911-Chronology-Source-Impact-Collection.mpg<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
I have no idea what the audio says as I am only looking at the frames. I
have never seen it before and it was something I just found with
Google. It is not the best and doesn't include the one scene that I was
looking for that I have at work. All comments are made as I see the
video for the first time.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
About frame 1753, you get to see the second plane hit. <br />
<br />
Frame 2744 is even better as you get to see a profile of the second
plane hitting. Frames 2755 shows the wing start ripping through the side
of the tower, just before the fuel ignites. In frame 2808, you start to
see pieces of the plane launch eject past the buildings that are
obstructing the view. How much damage was done to the inside of the
central support of the tower? Damage was done on three sides of the
exterior support. Three of the main supports for the tower have now been
weakened.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Now, how much over stress was designed into the exterior of the
building? 10%, 50%, 100%? If 50% was used, then it was getting pretty
close to failure as over 50% was damaged on one side and 10% to more on
the side facing the camera in the second picture as well as over 10% on
the third side. This is clearly visible in the video. I wonder how many
houses would remain standing with holes that covered over 50% of their
walls? Now try that on three walls.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
If you want to look at frame 8466, you will see the second plane impact
again. At frame 8537, you can see the debris field from the impact eject
from the building.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
At frame 9448, you see a close-up of the side of one tower. You will see smoke coming from multiple floors.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
10060 show the second plane impact from a reverse angle. In frame 10085, you see the material being ejected from the impact.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Frame 24521 shows a nice profile fo the damage done to the exterior of
one of the towers. Look at the amount of damage. How much stuctural
support is left in the exterior? How many floors are on fire? <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
33417 is an interesting start to the collapse. You see the collapse
start and as the inside of the building come down, it starts pushing all
the air out like a bellows of a foot pump. This causes burning debris
to be ejected out of the building.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Now to get really interesting. Look at frame 33598 and just off center
on the bottom, you will see a piece of the exterior wall that didn't
collapse with the upper stories. It looks like it had already been
isolated from the rest of the building by the plane impact. By frame
33634, it is out of the scene.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Frame 47111 again show smoke from upper stories above the plane collision.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Starting at frame 48063, you see parts of the first tower to collapse
and be ejected outside the range from behind the tower. Not a sign of a
controlled explosion. <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Now to see something really interesting that shows the forces involved with the collision of the second plane.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Starting in frame 50983, you will see the damage to the first tower hit.
You can see the extent of the damage to two sides of the tower. Count
how many support beams are left intact if you really want the truth. But
that digressed from the point I am trying to make.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
In frame 51005, you will not see much smoke from the left side of the
first tower hit. In 51007, you will start to see smoke being drawn out
from the tower. This is caused by the shock wave of the fuel explosion. <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Now this is just a quick review of the video on hand. Nothing exhaustive
or with any video processing. Just looking at this mpg. No monitor
calibration before doing it either.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
If it wasn't so late, I would continue but I cannot be bothered any more.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
More reading.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressive_stress" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressive_stress</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shear_stress" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shear_stress</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy</a> <br />
<br />
An interesting video.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWlsMFjrQ0M" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWlsMFjrQ0M</a> <br />
<br />
Look at videos of plane crashes. The planes burn and melt. Aluminium burns at a very high temperature.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
If you remember the Falklands war, the British lost a ship due to fire
from the rocket motor of a missile. The aluminium frame burnt and
melted. Look for the Sheffield in this article.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War#Sinking_of_HMS_Sheffield" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War#Sinking_of_HMS_Sheffield</a> <br />
<br />
Here is an interesting pdf file. Where was the plane or explosives
involved in this. Note the difference in construction between the WTC
and this building.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.ncdr.nat.gov.tw/iwerr/doc/pdf/S12%20PDF/s12-1.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ncdr.nat.gov.tw/iwerr/doc/pdf/S12%20PDF/s12-1.pdf</a> <br />
<br />
Fire damage to steel research.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://fire-research.group.shef.ac.uk/" target="_blank">http://fire-research.group.shef.ac.uk/</a> <br />
<br />
Papers published.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://fire-research.group.shef.ac.uk/completed.html" target="_blank">http://fire-research.group.shef.ac.uk/completed.html</a> <br />
<br />
One study with photos.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://fire-research.group.shef.ac.uk/downloads.html" target="_blank">http://fire-research.group.shef.ac.uk/downloads.html</a> <br />
<br />
See the damage done by a fire. Look at the data and see the temperature involved.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
This is an interesting page.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://guardian.150m.com/fire/small/cardington.htm" target="_blank">http://guardian.150m.com/fire/small/cardington.htm</a> <br />
<br />
Now if you want to argue these points, provide your own evidence from
sources other than conspiracy sites. I am willing to listen and analyse
the data. I have stated why I believe what I do. Generate your own
evidence and facts.<br />
<br />
Reply<br />
<br />
<br />
. 21 Robin May 2, 2009 at 9:15 pm<br />
Well, I made a post this morning and I see that it was deleted after
being accepted. I guess the truth was against the conspiracy..<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
I know that it was on this page as I read it again before closing out.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
To answer the question on why to provide evidence is simple. A simple
comment wouldn't have gotten any reaction. At least I got a reaction.<br />
<br />
Reply<br />
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. 22 Robin May 2, 2009 at 9:24 pm<br />
Funny, for some reason, my post that I just made, made my last night post appear. Strange happenings.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
I do not post this for ego or anything other than the truth. I may never
look at this site again. My kids give me the ego boost that I enjoy.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Think about the the conspiracy theories. They say steel buildings don't
collapse because of fires. The reports and pictures show that steel
structures do have partial collapses due to fires.<br />
<br />
Reply<br />
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<br />
. 31 Geezerpower May 3, 2009 at 11:22 pm<br />
lol, don't be intimidated by Arthur folks, he does have an associate degree in fire fighting, but his major was psychology. <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Actually all three buildings could have fallen without fire or anything,
and it could all be explained with hypothetical scenarios and a budget
of millions of $.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
After all, it's silly to question the official government story, and even if they did do it, it was to keep us safe… G: <br />
<br />
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ps: Mums the word, just hang on to all the evidence you can get your hands on.<br />
<br />
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. 36 Swing Trading October 30, 2009 at 6:37 am<br />
Interesting post. I have just bookmarked this at stumbleupon. Others no doubt will like it like I did.<br />
<br />
Reply<br />
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. 38 Steve December 20, 2009 at 5:23 am<br />
As I have whatched many videos of the South tower calapse, I have
noticed at the fire line at the North East cornerof the South tower,
molten metal pouring out of the building and streaming down the the side
of the building This happened just before the building colapsed. I have
seen Thermite look and act like this.<br />
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<b><span style="font-size: large;">U.S. to build new massive prison in Bagram</span></b><br />
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<a href="http://www.salon.com/2011/09/19/bagram_7/">Salon</a> Sep 19, 2011<br />
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By Glenn Greenwald<br />
Topics:Afghanistan<br />
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As the Obama administration announced <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/us/politics/obama-plan-to-cut-deficit-will-trim-spending.html?pagewanted=all" target="_blank">plans for hundreds of billions of dollars more in domestic budget cuts</a>, it late last week solicited bids for the construction of a massive new prison in Bagram, Afghanistan. <a href="https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=8823422cb26e9acd8a65722bec183b6d&tab=core&_cview=0." target="_blank">Posted on the aptly named FedBizOps.Gov website</a> which it uses to announce new privatized spending projects, the administration unveiled plans for “the construction of Detention Facility in Parwan (DFIP), Bagram, Afghanistan” which includes “detainee housing capability for approximately <b>2000 detainees</b>.” It will also feature “guard towers, administrative facility and Vehicle/Personnel Access Control Gates, security surveillance and restricted access systems.” The announcement provided: ”the estimated cost of the project is <b>between $25,000,000 to $100,000,00</b><b>0</b>.”<br />
In the U.S., prisons are so wildly overcrowded that <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24scotus.html?pagewanted=all" target="_blank">courts are ordering them to release inmates <i>en masse</i></a> because conditions are so inhumane as to be unconstitutional (today, the <a href="http://copssaylegalize.blogspot.com/2011/09/one-drug-arrest-every-19-seconds-in-us.html" target="_blank">FBI documented</a> that a drug arrest occurs in the U.S. once every 19 seconds, but as everyone knows, only insane extremists and frivolous potheads advocate an end to <b>that</b> war). In the U.S., <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/06/collapse">budgetary constraints are so severe</a> that entire grades are being eliminated, the use of street lights restricted, and the most basic services abolished for the nation’s neediest. But the U.S. proposes to spend up to $100 million on a sprawling new prison in Afghanistan.<br />
Budgetary madness to the side, this is going to be yet another addition to what <a href="http://humanrightsfirst.org/2011/09/08/the-post-911-u-s-military-prison-complex" target="_blank">Human Rights First recently documented</a> is the oppressive, due-process-free prison regime the U.S. continues to maintain around the world:<br />
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The reporters story about the man in the elevator<br />
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"I want to translate to you a story that another man told me. He was near the building. He was on the lobby level near the shopping area, the promonade. The elevator doors, he said to me, blew open and when the doors opened there was a man on fire inside that elevator."<br />
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</div>This guy is not identified as far as I know but, by the logo on his shirt, is apparently with the FDNY. Has anybody tried to identify him?<br />
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"It was like something out of a Bruce Willis Diehard movie.<br />
Both stair cases, the backside was completely blown away<br />
There was no access, we couldn't get to them and finally one of the fire dept. teams found them."<br />
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<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20040412230000/http://www.trismccall.net/jersey_city_journal.html#wtc7_under">The Tris McCall Report</a><br />
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November 28, 2003<br />
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Like the Twin Towers, WTC7 was a steel-framed building. It was connected to the rest of the complex by a walkway that arched over the street -- cast your mind back to the way Vesey used to be, and I'm sure you'll remember what that looked like. From our vantage point atop the palisade, we could see the top stories of the trapezoidal structure peeking out between the skyscrapers of Battery Park City. <br />
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On September 11, 2001, we watched the skyline from the terrace at the hi-vue. We saw the ball of flame from the South Tower impact and the huge expanding cloud of black smoke from the burning upper stories of Buildings One and Two. With brief interruptions, starting at 8:45 AM, we were out on the terrace all day that day. I've noticed that certain news agencies have been slippery with the timeline, but I had both a wall clock (set to the TV) and the computer clock in the room we were standing in, so nobody's going to tell me my timeline is incorrect. The South Tower fell at 9:58 A.M.<br />
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The collapse further confused an already chaotic picture, but at no point was it unclear what was going on. The residue -- almost entirely white powder -- seemed surprisingly discrete, and it wasn't hard to follow its billowing contours. Readily acknowledging that I was almost entirely out of my head with horror at the time, I'm still unwilling to discount my empirical experience. Just before the fall of the North Tower, we saw a large explosion coming from the street-level area around World Trade Center 7. I remember thinking that it looked distinctly like a bomb had been detonated underneath the city, and, of course, that's exactly what I thought had occurred.Geezer Powerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13904946096365037819noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8671841825041333649.post-16784257596620819692010-12-09T15:14:00.001-08:002010-12-09T15:14:14.321-08:00Wikileaks: Questions of government control and net nutrality<object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0" width="460" height="278"><param name="width" value="460"/><param name="height" value="278"/><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true"/><param name="src" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ae9nVMfjOcg&fs=1&rel=1&showsearch=0" /><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ae9nVMfjOcg&fs=1&hl=en&showsearch=0" width="460" height="278" allowfullscreen="true"> <br><a href="http://therealnews.com/">More at The Real News</a><br> </embed></object>Geezer Powerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13904946096365037819noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8671841825041333649.post-58268897826434952612010-11-12T12:21:00.001-08:002017-11-26T20:14:29.893-08:00Guess Who<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" gesture="media" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/SHhrZgojY1Q" width="560"></iframe><br />
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<strong><span style="color: blue;">Won't Get Fooled Again<br />
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We'll be fighting in the streets<br />
With our children at our feet<br />
And the morals when they worship will be gone<br />
And the men who spurred us on<br />
Sit in judgement of all wrong<br />
They decide and the shotgun sings the song<br />
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I'll tip my hat to the new constitution<br />
Take a bow for the new revolution<br />
Smile and grin at the change all around<br />
Pick up my guitar and play<br />
Just like yesterday<br />
Then I'll get on my knees and pray<br />
We don't get fooled again<br />
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The change, it had to come<br />
We knew it all along<br />
We were liberated from the foe, that's all<br />
And the world looks just the same<br />
And history ain't changed<br />
'Cause the banners, they'd all flown in the last war<br />
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I'll tip my hat to the new constitution<br />
Take a bow for the new revolution<br />
Smile and grin at the change all around<br />
Pick up my guitar and play<br />
Just like yesterday<br />
Then I'll get on my knees and pray<br />
We don't get fooled again<br />
No, no!<br />
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I'll move myself and my family aside<br />
If we happen to be left half alive<br />
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky<br />
For I know that the hypnotized never lie<br />
Do ya?<br />
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Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!<br />
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There's nothing in the street<br />
Looks any different to me<br />
And the slogans are out-phased, by-the-bye<br />
And the parting on the left<br />
Is now parting on the right<br />
And their beards have all grown longer overnight<br />
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I'll tip my hat to the new constitution<br />
Take a bow for the new revolution<br />
Smile and grin at the change all around<br />
Pick up my guitar and play<br />
Just like yesterday<br />
Then I'll get on my knees and pray<br />
We don't get fooled again<br />
Don't get fooled again<br />
No, no!<br />
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Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!<br />
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Meet the new boss<br />
Same as the old boss</span></strong></div>
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In this comment Arthur mentions Dan Nigro...quote:<br />
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"This is a message from Chief of Department (ret.) Daniel Nigro the chief in charge of the fire, addressing the conspiracy theories surrounding the collapse of WTC 7."<br />
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Quoting Nigro from a statement made in September 23, 2007 that in no way resembles what he, "Dan Nigro", said in the New York Times Interview from October 24, 2001.<br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><i><b>Further down in the comments:</b></i></span><br />
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<dd class="comment-body">What I believe is irrelevant, except for my belief that we need an independent and open investigation and that the official story doesn't hold water. Here's what Chief Nigro had to say on Oct. 24, 2001 <a href="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110154.PDF" rel="nofollow">WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW</a> CHIEF OF THE DEPARTMENT DANIEL NIGRO New York Times Interview Date: October 24, 2001 Transcribed by Elisabeth F. Nason The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we wouldn't lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was given, at 5:30 in the afternoon, 7 World Trade Center collapsed completely. I continued to operate at the scene until probably somewhere around 8 o'clock, at which time I borrowed Chief Meyers' car, because mine was destroyed and went home to say hello,shower, change my clothes and came back to work at approximately between 11 and midnight with Chief Turi. And here is the source for what Chief Nigro had to say according to <a href="http://911guide.googlepages.com/danielnigro" rel="nofollow">Mark Robert's Google pages</a> </dd><dd class="comment-footer"><span class="comment-timestamp"> <a href="http://homenaturereport.blogspot.com/2008/12/wtc7-in-freefall-no-longer.html?showComment=1236134633388#c5890633588704958795" title="comment permalink"> March 3, 2009 6:43 PM </a> <span class="item-control blog-admin pid-1733919754"> <a href="http://www.blogger.com/delete-comment.g?blogID=8372746919154595797&postID=5890633588704958795" title="Delete Comment"> <img src="img/icon_delete13.gif" /> </a> </span> </span> </dd>
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<dd class="comment-body">Tsk tsk Arthur. You should be ashamed, copying information right out of Gravy's questionable Google pages to use in your lengthy copy and past comments. BTW, do you plan on adding some addendums to your book "Fire in the Skyscraper"? You know, what with all of the changes you had to make in your document "The Collapse of Building 7", folks might not realise that some of the information won't be correct...G: </dd><dd class="comment-footer"><span class="comment-timestamp"> <a href="http://homenaturereport.blogspot.com/2008/12/wtc7-in-freefall-no-longer.html?showComment=1236214089994#c8658132908717877265" title="comment permalink"> March 4, 2009 4:48 PM </a> <span class="item-control blog-admin pid-1733919754"> <a href="http://www.blogger.com/delete-comment.g?blogID=8372746919154595797&postID=8658132908717877265" title="Delete Comment"> <img src="img/icon_delete13.gif" /> </a> </span> </span> </dd>
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<dd class="comment-body">Two different interviews at two different times... WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW CHIEF OF THE DEPARTMENT DANIEL NIGRO New York Times Interview Date: October 24, 2001 Transcribed by Elisabeth F. Nason The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we wouldn't lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was given, at 5:30 in the afternoon, 7 World Trade Center collapsed completely. I continued to operate at the scene until probably somewhere around 8 o'clock, at which time I borrowed Chief Meyers' car, because mine was destroyed and went home to say hello,shower, change my clothes and came back to work at approximately between 11 and midnight with Chief Turi. This is a message from Chief of Department (ret.) Daniel Nigro, addressing the conspiracy theories surrounding the collapse of WTC7. Thank you very much for this statement, Mr. Nigro. The work you and your colleagues did will never be forgotten. ******************************************************* Release date: September 23, 2007 Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff). The reasons are as follows: 1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse. 2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7. 3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels. 4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them. For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed. Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit. Regards, Dan Nigro ****************************************************** If you are wondering why Chief nigro changed his mind,just ask <a href="http://mosnas2.blogspot.com/2008/08/for-immediate-release-september-3-2002.html" rel="nofollow">James Woolsey</a> </dd><dd class="comment-footer"><span class="comment-timestamp"> <a href="http://homenaturereport.blogspot.com/2008/12/wtc7-in-freefall-no-longer.html?showComment=1249587522670#c7767268776180094898" title="comment permalink"> August 6, 2009 12:38 PM </a> <span class="item-control blog-admin pid-1733919754"> <a href="http://www.blogger.com/delete-comment.g?blogID=8372746919154595797&postID=7767268776180094898" title="Delete Comment"> <img src="img/icon_delete13.gif" /></a><a href="http://www.blogger.com/delete-comment.g?blogID=8372746919154595797&postID=7767268776180094898" title="Delete Comment"> </a> </span> </span> </dd></dl><br />
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So in comparing these two different interviews, I have several questions for Mark. <br />
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1. When was the collapse zone established and how does that affect rescue operations? <br />
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2. What was Nigro's reason for establishing the collapse zone?<br />
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3. Will it stand, in a court of law, that Chief Nigro uses information, which was discovered after the fact, to describe the reason for establishing a collapse zone?<br />
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In the later interview, Nigro decided that "The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7", so is using that as a reason for his decision although no such reason existed at that time.<br />
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And disccovered "Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse"<br />
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Will any investigator that is worth his salt accept this hypothetical crap?<br />
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Collapse zone established at: 4:00 o'clock or 2:30 o'clock? Rescue operations? "Early in the afternoon"?<br />
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We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was given, at 5:30 in the afternoon, 7 World Trade Center collapsed completely.<br />
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as opposed to:<br />
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For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed. <br />
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Reason for establishing collapse zone:<br />
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It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we wouldn't lose any more people.<br />
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as opposed to:<br />
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Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff). The reasons are as follows:<br />
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1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse. <br />
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2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7. <br />
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3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels. <br />
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4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.<br />
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For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone.Geezer Powerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13904946096365037819noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8671841825041333649.post-80432501891826530262010-04-07T12:07:00.000-07:002010-04-14T16:40:52.243-07:00911: NIST ignores obvious evidence of melted steel at WTC<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><br />
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Preserving The WTC Wreckage<br />
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<a href="http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/61201">A Visit to Hangar 17</a><br />
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GREENWALD: ... One of the oddest shapes is called the compression. It's so valuable that it's been locked inside a tent within the hangar. It looks like a meteorite and nobody knows which tower it came from says Charles Gargano, vice chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the hangar and the Trade Center Site. Gargano says the compression is actually 4 stories that have been crushed into a jagged object four feet high.<br />
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GARGANO: This is metal that has been compressed again as the result of the collapse of these extremely tall buildings. And that is made up, composition of different materials steel, concrete and other materials and you can see how that was compressed.<br />
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The analysis of these <a href="http://mosnas2.blogspot.com/2008/03/911-artifacts-of-melted-concrete-steel.html">conglomerates of concrete and fused metal</a> will reveal things that don't fit into the government's story, as the NIST report denies that there was any melted steel.<br />
If this is indeed melted concrete and fused steel, the temperatures would have been well above 2000 degrees fahrenheit and maybe closer to 2500 degrees.Geezer Powerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13904946096365037819noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8671841825041333649.post-12713915246682890852010-02-27T09:55:00.000-08:002010-05-18T07:00:01.217-07:00The Smoking Gun is the "melted guns" in the NYPD Museum<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgRQcGgRx795VHHA22dbOv8z0TG3UbuXPGU3hp6cmTdv9YoY-h1131dMV2K7U7-HbKnxkKnJOAfIvXMecQ-pkP4X_lYGgZavXoXq5zfVRNKxsPOZkriBoLPy8mZ9cb3lA6dVvtXmiMgbU0/s1600-h/gconcgung.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgRQcGgRx795VHHA22dbOv8z0TG3UbuXPGU3hp6cmTdv9YoY-h1131dMV2K7U7-HbKnxkKnJOAfIvXMecQ-pkP4X_lYGgZavXoXq5zfVRNKxsPOZkriBoLPy8mZ9cb3lA6dVvtXmiMgbU0/s640/gconcgung.JPG" width="596" /></a></div><br />
This interesting artifact is a gun encased in fused concrete that was recovered from the ruins of WTC 6. <br />
According to the description of the museum personnel, on the above card, fire temperatures were so intense that the concrete melted, like lava, around anything in it's path".<br />
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It sets in a museum about 1/2 mile from the crime scene along with other evidence that shows the extreme temperatures that existed there. These extreme temperatures also existed in WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 as exemplified by solid evidence of melted and twisted beams, some with holes clear through them. <br />
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The NIST nerds will deny this till the cows come home, but their hypothesis, even after all of the changes, still won't hold water. Eight years have gone by and the cows are finally heading for the barn. Looks like a good time for an open and independent investigation to me. <br />
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<a href="http://www.panoramio.com/photo/29655516">The New York City Police Museum, Financial District, Manhattan NYC</a><br />
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The New York City Police Museum (NYCPM) celebrates the history and contributions of the New York City Police Department since its establishment in 1845. The museum is located in Lower Manhattan in New York City, near Wall Street and the South Street Seaport. While one of the museum's primary focuses is a memorial to September 11th, the museum contains a wide range of information on the history of the NYPD <br />
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New York City Police Museum 100 Old Slip, New York, NY 10005-3539(212) 480-3100<br />
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<a href="http://www.nycpm.org/exhibitions/911/">911 EXHIBITS</a><br />
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Here's a picture of WTC 6 showing huge craters that extend to ground level. The NIST nerds claim that the damage is from the falling beams and girders as the WTC buildings fell. Note that this building didn't collapse and that the West end, in fact is somewhat intact. It looks obvious, to me, that parts of this building were as hot as the hinges of Hades. Here's a couple of my old articles: March 31, 2008 by Geezerpower <a href="http://mosnas2.blogspot.com/2008/03/911-artifacts-of-melted-concrete-steel.html">911 artifacts of melted concrete & steel </a>April 3, 2008 by wordgeezer on Suzi-Q <a href="http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/some-911-evidence-that-didnt-get-away/">Some 911 evidence that didn’t get away</a>Geezer Powerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13904946096365037819noreply@blogger.com1