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Won't Get Fooled Again

We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals when they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the foe, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they'd all flown in the last war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
For I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are out-phased, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now parting on the right
And their beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

Arthur Scheuerman, Mark Roberts, on Dan Nigro's WTC 7 interviews

The following comments are from my post on Home Nature Report:, "NIST's analysis of freefall speed vs David Chandler", where Arthur Scheurman left some of his long winded, copy/paste, comments.

In this comment Arthur mentions Dan Nigro...quote:

"This is a message from Chief of Department (ret.) Daniel Nigro the chief in charge of the fire, addressing the conspiracy theories surrounding the collapse of WTC 7."

Quoting Nigro from a statement made in September 23, 2007 that in no way resembles what he, "Dan Nigro", said in the New York Times Interview from October 24, 2001.



Further down in the comments:

Geezer Power said...

What I believe is irrelevant, except for my belief that we need an independent and open investigation and that the official story doesn't hold water. Here's what Chief Nigro had to say on Oct. 24, 2001 WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW CHIEF OF THE DEPARTMENT DANIEL NIGRO New York Times Interview Date: October 24, 2001 Transcribed by Elisabeth F. Nason The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we wouldn't lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was given, at 5:30 in the afternoon, 7 World Trade Center collapsed completely. I continued to operate at the scene until probably somewhere around 8 o'clock, at which time I borrowed Chief Meyers' car, because mine was destroyed and went home to say hello,shower, change my clothes and came back to work at approximately between 11 and midnight with Chief Turi. And here is the source for what Chief Nigro had to say according to Mark Robert's Google pages

March 3, 2009 6:43 PM

Geezer Power said...

Tsk tsk Arthur. You should be ashamed, copying information right out of Gravy's questionable Google pages to use in your lengthy copy and past comments. BTW, do you plan on adding some addendums to your book "Fire in the Skyscraper"? You know, what with all of the changes you had to make in your document "The Collapse of Building 7", folks might not realise that some of the information won't be correct...G:

March 4, 2009 4:48 PM

Geezer Power said...

Two different interviews at two different times... WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW CHIEF OF THE DEPARTMENT DANIEL NIGRO New York Times Interview Date: October 24, 2001 Transcribed by Elisabeth F. Nason The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we wouldn't lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was given, at 5:30 in the afternoon, 7 World Trade Center collapsed completely. I continued to operate at the scene until probably somewhere around 8 o'clock, at which time I borrowed Chief Meyers' car, because mine was destroyed and went home to say hello,shower, change my clothes and came back to work at approximately between 11 and midnight with Chief Turi. This is a message from Chief of Department (ret.) Daniel Nigro, addressing the conspiracy theories surrounding the collapse of WTC7. Thank you very much for this statement, Mr. Nigro. The work you and your colleagues did will never be forgotten. ******************************************************* Release date: September 23, 2007 Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff). The reasons are as follows: 1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse. 2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7. 3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels. 4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them. For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed. Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit. Regards, Dan Nigro ****************************************************** If you are wondering why Chief nigro changed his mind,just ask James Woolsey

August 6, 2009 12:38 PM

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So in comparing these two different interviews, I have several questions for Mark.

1. When was the collapse zone established and how does that affect rescue operations?

2. What was Nigro's reason for establishing the collapse zone?

3. Will it stand, in a court of law, that Chief Nigro uses information, which was discovered after the fact, to describe the reason for establishing a collapse zone?

In the later interview, Nigro decided that "The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7", so is using that as a reason for his decision although no such reason existed at that time.

And disccovered "Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse"

Will any investigator that is worth his salt accept this hypothetical crap?

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Collapse zone established at: 4:00 o'clock or 2:30 o'clock? Rescue operations? "Early in the afternoon"?

We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was given, at 5:30 in the afternoon, 7 World Trade Center collapsed completely.

as opposed to:

For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.


Reason for establishing collapse zone:

It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we wouldn't lose any more people.

as opposed to:

Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff). The reasons are as follows:


1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.


2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.


3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.


4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.


For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone.

911: NIST ignores obvious evidence of melted steel at WTC

Preserving The WTC Wreckage

A Visit to Hangar 17

by Beth Fertig

GREENWALD: ... One of the oddest shapes is called the compression. It's so valuable that it's been locked inside a tent within the hangar. It looks like a meteorite and nobody knows which tower it came from says Charles Gargano, vice chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the hangar and the Trade Center Site. Gargano says the compression is actually 4 stories that have been crushed into a jagged object four feet high.

GARGANO: This is metal that has been compressed again as the result of the collapse of these extremely tall buildings. And that is made up, composition of different materials steel, concrete and other materials and you can see how that was compressed.

The analysis of these conglomerates of concrete and fused metal will reveal things that don't fit into the government's story, as the NIST report denies that there was any melted steel.
If this is indeed melted concrete and fused steel, the temperatures would have been well above 2000 degrees fahrenheit and maybe closer to 2500 degrees.

The Smoking Gun is the "melted guns" in the NYPD Museum

This interesting artifact is a gun encased in fused concrete that was recovered from the ruins of WTC 6.
 According to the description of the museum personnel, on the above card, fire temperatures were so intense that the concrete melted, like lava, around anything in it's path".

It sets in a museum about 1/2 mile from the crime scene along with other evidence that shows the extreme temperatures that existed there. These extreme temperatures also existed in WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 as exemplified by solid evidence of melted and  twisted beams, some with holes clear through them.

The NIST nerds will deny this till the cows come home, but their hypothesis, even after all of the changes, still won't hold water. Eight years have gone by and  the cows are finally heading for the barn. Looks like a good time for an open and independent investigation to me.



The New York City Police Museum, Financial District, Manhattan NYC

The New York City Police Museum (NYCPM) celebrates the history and contributions of the New York City Police Department since its establishment in 1845. The museum is located in Lower Manhattan in New York City, near Wall Street and the South Street Seaport. While one of the museum's primary focuses is a memorial to September 11th, the museum contains a wide range of information on the history of the NYPD

New York City Police Museum 100 Old Slip, New York, NY 10005-3539(212) 480-3100

911 EXHIBITS

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Here's a picture of WTC 6 showing huge craters that extend to ground level. The NIST nerds claim that the damage is from the falling beams and girders as the WTC buildings fell. Note that this building didn't collapse and that the West end, in fact is somewhat intact. It looks obvious, to me, that parts of this building were as hot as the hinges of Hades. Here's a couple of my old articles: March 31, 2008 by Geezerpower 911 artifacts of melted concrete & steel April 3, 2008 by wordgeezer on Suzi-Q Some 911 evidence that didn’t get away